honda0105

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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2013 5:53:32 AM
kkimes: indeed. We've tried that before with other sources and fell face first in the mud... didn't learn from that, did we?
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drpepperTX

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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:33:29 PM
nsdp, very good post pointing out the fatal flaws in this story.
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pleinyeux

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Montreal
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:26:36 PM
Time of miracles has gone long away ....
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orphancarguyPE

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PEI
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 8:45:26 PM
Some very good documentation out there which documents beyond all the excited hype just how fast the drop off rate is. Unlike a Ponzi scheme, there is a possible return on investment on the positive side, but likely only at several times the current retain price...
As well, with the 'as soon as you start' drop-off in production, there comes a point VERY quickly where all your capital is just going in to maintain a plateau of production, not to increase it by game-changing amounts.
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jimgraham

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 8:05:39 PM
Waiting for the bubble collapse - not burst..
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LetemEatCake

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 7:08:15 PM
Excellent, well articulated theory on the future of fracking from a reliable source.
My concerns are more along the lines of T42 and the toxic chemicals which result.
I totally agree with what Kkimes said, "I hate to see the US put all our eggs in one basket." Good advice!
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kkimes

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 7:01:16 PM
I hate to see the US put all our eggs in one basket. Fortunately, I won't be here any more when the crash comes.
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teafortwo

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 4:12:16 PM
How could we possibly be exposed to the toxic chemicals used in fracking PDQBlues?
GB oil & gas industry shills tell US all toxic chemicals are thousands of feet in the Earth.
Still a bit of a mystery how the toxic chemicals get down there? And stay put?
Do you think that is part of the oil & gas industry "trade secret" ?
**POOF**
Now you see it.
Now you don't.
No wonder the oil & gas industry says there's no good reason for US to know toxic chemical recipes.
How could something we can not see possibly hurt US?
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Jeff1944

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 3:49:08 PM
All good things come to end; some sooner than later. It still is better than we did it. Otherwise some of the greenies may have frozen together in the dark! LOL!
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PDQBlues

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 3:31:16 PM
A fatal flaw indeed, especially with the toxic materials used in fracking that will be fatal to those exposed to it.
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md11capt

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 3:31:14 PM
How bout that piece news Frackers? Another PR Job by BIG OIL.
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YumaFellow

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 3:27:35 PM
This is a good article from a good source. The fracking boom is likely to have a short life even if its consequences will hang around for decades.
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nsdp

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 1:44:05 PM
Another ignorant story. Since Wall Street made Cash Flow king in the 80's operators have completed and operated their wells to maximize upfront profits and not prudent operations to maximize recovery. In the 1980's the typical well in the Permian basin drilled into the Ellenberger formation produced 1/2 of the recoverable hydrocarbons in 2 years and was depleted in 5-7 years.
Welcome to the 20th Century.
[Edited by: nsdp at 2/24/2013 1:44:54 PM EST]
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hvyd1

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 12:09:44 PM
that was interesting
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TXRanger09

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 11:52:36 AM
Very interesting article by Randy Udall, a sustainable energy expert, is co-founder of the Association for the Study of Peak Oil – USA, Mr. Udall is brother to Sen. Mark Udall (D) of Colorado. e.
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BurntOrange

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Austin
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 11:13:04 AM
dogs?
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lpatti1

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:41:56 AM
Someone has a gold mine for states?
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nstrdnvstr

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:39:12 AM
Keep on fracking, it creates much needed jobs.
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Rhino8of8

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:38:54 AM
Nice additional info, AmmoManAaron
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Mr_Bill_W

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:38:36 AM
What seems to be absent from the equation is what is the price of our rushing to embrace this new found panacea purportedly for all our petroleum and gas woes?
What will the cost be in town terms of impact on the fona and flora of those areas where the extraction of shale oil takes place? The environmental and human costs and impacts are largely unknown and speculative at best, accordingly due caution and prudent restraint must be completed exercised as moves in this direction come to pass...
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BumpinButch

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Texas
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:31:44 AM
SHALE FOR SELL SALE!
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drillintheUSA

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Rochester
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:31:32 AM
So what. FRACK now! This is nothing new. We've only been Fracking since 1949: HELLO! Stop looking at the 'Half Full' as 'Half Empty' you chicken littles!!
~ drillintheUSA / FRACKintheUSA.now
[Edited by: drillintheUSA at 2/24/2013 10:32:01 AM EST]
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Chadgas

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:30:05 AM
Re-frac.
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Chas58

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:29:40 AM
Spent 20 minutes reading this and am not any more informed.
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trekmanKY

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:29:33 AM
Ohkay!
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KhelbenArunson

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:29:29 AM
Ok
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WeasleyOC

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:28:39 AM
It should be good while it lasts.
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OnABudget1

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:28:23 AM
Interesting
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mst150

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:27:14 AM
A very interesting take on this subject ...
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Mariuxus

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:26:13 AM
So...
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Don20

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:22:51 AM
Well lets wait and see. in the mean time extract all you can. In other word make hay while the sun shines..
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dcoxdcox44

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New Hampshire
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:22:39 AM
Wow, no one here is complaining about gas prices or accusing this of another reason to manipulate prices! What is wrong with you guys?
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Rick01

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:22:34 AM
And when the bedrock is turned into sand and we cannot drink the water, then what???
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WilW

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:22:19 AM
Hey Mildred! Ain't we got a Shale station on the corner?
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findcheap

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:21:54 AM
Wrecking landscape for 15 years reward?
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MrLuigi

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:21:50 AM
just about everything has pro's/con's......make the best of it
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pbalmeo

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:20:11 AM
Get it while you can.
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Caribou2011

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:19:36 AM
ATime to live for the now, tomorrow is always uncertain.
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Blue_Cruzer

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Lexington
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:17:42 AM
Make hay while the sun shines.
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lindact

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:17:00 AM
Bad long term repercussions for a short term fix.
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Hugo40

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:15:53 AM
There are always downsides to everything.
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jimmy544

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:15:38 AM
The only answer is to move on while this window exists there is no long term future to petroleum powered world.
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tekguy

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:15:24 AM
Interesting article.
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Wizrd03

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:15:13 AM
Interesting
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LKnight598

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:13:15 AM
Interesting...
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drawee

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:13:04 AM
old news
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matthwbar

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:13:00 AM
Oh my..!
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LuthierKS

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:11:21 AM
Interesting article.
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neptune2008

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:07:46 AM
no means no
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CorvairHaven

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2013 10:06:58 AM
I wondered about the longevity.
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