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Solving Ethanol's Corrosion Problem May Help Speed the Biofuel to Market

Science Daily -- If we're to meet a goal set by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's Renewable Fuels Standard to use 36 billion gallons per year of biofuels -- mostly ethanol -- the nation must expand its infrastructure for transporting and storing ethanol. Currently, ethanol is transported via trucks, trains, and barges. For the large volumes required in the future, transportation by pipeline is considered to be the most efficient method to get it to customers.

The integrity and safety of pipelines and storage tanks is crucial, because ethanol is both flammable and, at certain concentrations, can cause adverse environmental impacts.


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Submitted Oct 06, 2013 By: mastermariner
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jeffbone
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2013 9:31:56 AM

Once again, the EPA tries to repeal the laws of physics and chemistry...
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oldmack
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2013 2:54:00 AM

ok
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bston
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2013 1:15:38 AM

Only reason ethanol may ever outsell 100% gas is its cheaper cost. Sad that folks don't realize the old truth that you always get what you pay for.
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MAC48
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 9:49:14 PM

The key to the removal of ethanol blended with gasoline from the market is to convince Congress to repeal the Renewal Fuels Standard (RFS) usage requirement codified by passage of the 2005 Energy Act and increased in 2007. If you are against the use of ethanol as an extender of the quantity of the US gasoline supplies, then you should be against the RFS.

If the RFS contained in the 2005 Energy Act was to be repealed, then the current Congress and Senate could draft a new 2014 RFS law without any usage mandates. All US citizens would be much better off since ethanol would be removed from out gasoline supplies and the revised RFS that should be made to go into effect 01/01/2015 would advocate the use of the really practical and viable biofuels we now have or are on the horizon such as biodiesel.
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Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 1:07:41 PM

On Oct 6, 2013 11:49:55 PM, Buickdriver7 wrote:

>Proof that ethanol should be banned!!...immediately!!!

Guess that Buickdriver7 must be a big carbon monoxide fanboy.


[Edited by: Sneakers55 at 10/7/2013 1:08:25 PM EST]
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Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 1:05:18 PM

On Oct 6, 2013 8:54:07 PM, esq262 wrote:

>Let's get rid of Ethenol.

Let's get rid of Ethenol and all other misspellings.
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werich44
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 7:55:57 AM

Get rid of Ethanol along with the EPA.
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EvergreenON
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 6:06:32 AM

Totally agree with you Buickdriver7
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MadFueler
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 12:50:59 AM

"sacrificial metals" - Would the whole pipe have to be lined with these? Would they have to be replaced often? Sounds more expensive than trucking the stuff.
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Buickdriver7
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 12:49:55 AM

Proof that ethanol should be banned!!...immediately!!!
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Tekkersmom57
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 10:31:54 PM

Exactly,"bridgerunner", we have had a lawnmower and a weed eater ruined due to ethanol!
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esq262
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 9:54:07 PM

Let's get rid of Ethenol.
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TravellinTom
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 9:27:41 PM

Ethanol thru a pipeline is a pending disaster. They either have to figure out how to make it less destructive or develop a new type of pipeline to transport it!
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 8:17:05 PM

Something is not quite right here ?
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Marino5
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 8:14:00 PM

This law needs to be re-visited in light of the current state of affairs. This was enacted based on rising oil imports, not really for environmental reasons. Perhaps our engines can become more efficient when the engineers focus their efforts there.
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bridgerunner
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 8:05:58 PM

Learn never to leave fuel in mowers and chain saws, other small engines for any length of time.
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 8:01:42 PM

Do you think?
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sillywagon
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 8:01:01 PM

Solved ethanol pipeline problem, next preventing engine damage.
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installer
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 8:01:00 PM

And here i thought it was just disolving some internal parts in the tank, fuel pump and feed lines. THERE'S MORE?
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:58:02 PM

Why would they want to solve the problem...more engine damage equals steady flow of car sales.
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:57:33 PM

E85 is pretty much of a "dead duck" since the EPA allowed it to be marketed as a "buyers choice". (Boy! did the EPA make a mistake there, huh!). 10% Ethanol blend and Ethanol free gas should be marketed the same way, and that would end the whole issue!
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:56:08 PM

sure
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:55:51 PM

Will the EPA aprove these "good" pipelines
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:54:28 PM

Interesting...
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:54:26 PM

Good luck with that.
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:54:01 PM

the farmers pushed for it, let the farmers use it.
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:51:06 PM

okay
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:50:55 PM

end the ethanol subsidies
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C.Carpets
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:50:00 PM

Ethanol = Lower Gas Mileage = More Gas you Gotta Buy = More Gas Tax You Pay
Government Wins - You Lose
Government makes the rules, Just like the Casino sets the Odds. (Won't be in Your Favor).
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gas_too_high
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:49:17 PM

The best way to guard against ethanol corrision is to not use ethanol. Ethanol does nothing, in any case, to save energy, or even reduce CO2 emissions, not when its production and transportation energy costs are taken into account.

GTH
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:48:50 PM

Now that we are all smarter, a logical person would cancel the EPA Ethanol program and use it as a fuel only in a few select areas.
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:47:49 PM

Learning how to deal with a new problem will lead to new solutions. But I think we will see more electrical storage of energy and less focus on ethanol.
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:47:08 PM

This is common sense not news.
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:47:06 PM

This product is not good for engines.
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:43:47 PM

This has to be produced locally and easily (i.e. using cellulose). Until that point; it will create more problems than it is worth.
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:42:55 PM

Ethanol is evil.
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:38:57 PM

Terrible stuff for our engines.
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:38:15 PM

Ethanol is not good for mileage and not good for engines.
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:38:07 PM

Ethanol needs to go.
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:36:50 PM

A variety of fuels will provide the best alternative for the country as a whole.
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:32:53 PM

I've always had good luck with ethanol.
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:30:50 PM

another reason to ban ethanol.
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PrettyLittleLady
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:27:53 PM

would it give me better mileage??
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:26:51 PM

Ethanol is not a true darling of energy conservation. With its ability to be blended come issues of corrosion and loss of power that no one wants.
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:25:35 PM

Sigh
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Yikes
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:22:45 PM

Time To Get Rid Of Ethanol...
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no ethanol!
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We need to get rid of the EPA and their renewable fuel standards.
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:14:19 PM

All the pipelines will need to be replaced. Unintended consequences and guess who is going to pay!
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