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Rising Solar Energy Output Drives German & French Power Prices To Record Lows Read more at http://cl

Clean Technica -- Renewable energy critics and opponents continue to zoom in on the intermittent nature of solar and wind energy in their efforts to undermine and derail the transition away from centralized, mass production of energy based on burning fossil fuels.

Even at this early stage of a much belated evolutionary process, empirical evidence and ongoing technological advances, as well as pro clean energy and sustainable development polices and market developments, highlight the fallacy of their arguments.

Observed evidence (two examples here and here) indicates that coupled with adequate grid infrastructure and energy policy reform, solar and wind power generation — on and off-grid — can reduce carbon and greenhouse gas emissions and enhance the security and resiliency of power supplies without

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,609 Points:1,608,545 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jan 21, 2013 8:02:14 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse my2002: at least the ROI is improving.
my2002m Champion Author Tulsa Posts:6,069 Points:1,669,325 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:14:05 PM Ignore my2002m Report Abuse Only after a massive and expensive effort to build it. Still not cost effective.
MadFueler All-Star Author Winston-Salem Posts:917 Points:171,535 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:28:39 PM Ignore MadFueler Report Abuse It's good to see that the price of grid electricity is going down somewhere, particularly and expensive area like Central Europe. teafortwo: Archimedes made sunbeams weapons of war a couple of millenia ago, but we're not trying to repel wooden ships from Rome now; however, you might find this interesting: White Sands home to Army's largest solar power system
teafortwo Champion Author Washington Posts:22,103 Points:1,384,565 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 4:07:04 PM Ignore teafortwo Report Abuse "I have no doubt that we will be successful in harnessing the sun's energy.... If sunbeams were weapons of war, we would have had solar energy centuries ago." ~ Sir George Porter
teafortwo Champion Author Washington Posts:22,103 Points:1,384,565 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 3:53:50 PM Ignore teafortwo Report Abuse "The use of solar energy has not been opened up because the oil industry does not own the sun." ~ Ralph Nader
DarthDadJr Champion Author Virginia Posts:7,307 Points:1,520,445 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 3:31:57 PM Ignore DarthDadJr Report Abuse To get there takes a huge investment...much of it subsidized by their government and the tax payer...so even though their prices are low, the true cost is hidden in the higher taxes they are paying.
must87searcher Champion Author Maryland Posts:8,975 Points:1,779,435 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 2:03:01 PM Ignore must87searcher Report Abuse There is still a lot of development/testing to down before solar could really but to work. Solar is useful in small things, like calculators, but even fossil fuels need time and developement for perfection.
sydb7 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,557 Points:1,919,005 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 12:14:37 PM Ignore sydb7 Report Abuse Support Alternative fuel sources! [Edited by: sydb7 at 1/18/2013 12:15:05 PM EST]
gas_too_high Champion Author Columbus Posts:11,534 Points:1,932,140 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:41:57 AM Ignore gas_too_high Report Abuse This article reads more like an advocacy piece, rather than a supposedly impartial news item. Solar and wind power have contributions to make, but they are nothing close to a complete energy solution, for "clean energy" or energy independence or anything else. GTH
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:34,182 Points:2,370,395 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:35:45 AM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse then why is germany saying it moved way too fast ? [Edited by: humblepie at 1/18/2013 11:36:32 AM EST]
badbonita Champion Author Syracuse Posts:6,219 Points:1,352,735 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:16:05 AM Ignore badbonita Report Abuse Also agree with Gascapade.
Minutefan Champion Author Springfield Posts:3,305 Points:1,245,330 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:46:53 AM Ignore Minutefan Report Abuse what Gascapade said...
Gascapade Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:3,017 Points:481,705 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:41:56 AM Ignore Gascapade Report Abuse Cleaner air and lower prices, excellent and awesome! Here in the USA there's sentiment for keeping us slaves to the corrupt, colluded, rampantly speculated, and price manipulated crude distillate market......
BigOyl All-Star Author Wichita Posts:887 Points:349,280 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:30:20 AM Ignore BigOyl Report Abuse COMPLETELY agreed Runner!
murushi Champion Author Ontario Posts:8,087 Points:1,492,475 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:27:16 AM Ignore murushi Report Abuse Yes! I've been saying it for year: solar is the key. Every sunny state in the US, and even others, would benefit greatly from at least a solar boiler on every private house roof instead of putting the boilers in the basement and spending gas/electricity to heat the water. It can be done, and inexpensively too. Israel has been doing it for decades - it's mandated that every new house is built with solar water boilers. And the boilers are not nearly as expensive as those available in North America. And from there, just expand it: solar cell roof etc.
Chinto12 Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,025 Points:408,885 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:24:41 AM Ignore Chinto12 Report Abuse data manipulation can make the case that fuel is free - it depends on what costs are included in the calculation - so I am skeptical
cssco Champion Author Virginia Posts:7,321 Points:1,750,555 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:22:38 AM Ignore cssco Report Abuse Isn't Europe just great!!!
Hangnail309 Champion Author Manitoba Posts:6,019 Points:1,676,205 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:16:00 AM Ignore Hangnail309 Report Abuse It's nice to have lower power prices.
truckpdlr Champion Author Tucson Posts:2,946 Points:1,095,160 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:14:06 AM Ignore truckpdlr Report Abuse Lets see what happens here
calripken_8 Champion Author Virginia Posts:2,896 Points:658,215 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:09:11 AM Ignore calripken_8 Report Abuse Anybody remember the movie "Money Pit"???
JoeKR Champion Author New Jersey Posts:9,468 Points:1,742,745 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:09:08 AM Ignore JoeKR Report Abuse Record lows is a good thing!
babyjudy Champion Author Tucson Posts:2,726 Points:560,760 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:08:50 AM Ignore babyjudy Report Abuse A complete change to renewable will require a complete lifestyle change. I don't believe the majority of people are ready. Do you want to schedule you meals around the wind blowing on a sunny day? Or, have to go to a grid connected place to finish the Super Bowl game?
tndirtydawg Champion Author Memphis Posts:1,153 Points:647,740 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:08:20 AM Ignore tndirtydawg Report Abuse Lets see if the U.S. can do the same thing.
hwmillerster Champion Author Missouri Posts:6,784 Points:1,464,370 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:07:05 AM Ignore hwmillerster Report Abuse France and Germany are both northern countries where the sun isn't so reliable as in the US. However, if these renewable energy sources can be made to work in Northern Europe they could work here.
mysub Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:8,906 Points:2,329,490 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:06:46 AM Ignore mysub Report Abuse I like to see the price of SOMETHING going down.
Rednix Champion Author Miami Posts:6,148 Points:1,274,535 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:06:02 AM Ignore Rednix Report Abuse It's nice to have lower power prices.
jjewell Champion Author San Bernardino Posts:9,380 Points:1,225,270 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:04:55 AM Ignore jjewell Report Abuse Sure it is LOL.
JohnLM Champion Author Orlando Posts:1,038 Points:529,070 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:03:40 AM Ignore JohnLM Report Abuse This sounds like mindless feel-good lefty speculation. Of course Germany's free to do what it wants. Hopefully they don't end up with frequent power shortages when the sun doesn't shine (you know, they call it night) and the wind doesn't blow.
Ken2OD Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:9,065 Points:1,970,925 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:03:28 AM Ignore Ken2OD Report Abuse I have traveled extensively in both countries when I was stationed there after WWII from early 1955 through late 1957. I find it amazing that these two countries are even talking to each other since they seldom agree on anything.
INBwana Champion Author Indiana Posts:5,451 Points:695,010 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:02:18 AM Ignore INBwana Report Abuse More propaganda for solar energy!
dad2two Champion Author Dallas Posts:3,538 Points:749,420 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:59:52 AM Ignore dad2two Report Abuse I do not think the price reduction has to do with solar output.
ItsMorph Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:33,427 Points:3,185,180 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:59:41 AM Ignore ItsMorph Report Abuse Does this really surprise anyone?
us30ride Champion Author Fort Wayne Posts:3,325 Points:711,660 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:59:40 AM Ignore us30ride Report Abuse Not believing anything anymore.
bigLtowing Champion Author Columbus Posts:2,834 Points:591,590 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:59:36 AM Ignore bigLtowing Report Abuse great story hope it happens here
AnnRKee Veteran Author Pennsylvania Posts:299 Points:20,565 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:57:45 AM Ignore AnnRKee Report Abuse I wonder what the writer ("Andrew") does for a living. Should the need ever arise again, for a Minister of Propaganda, this guy is a "shoe in'!
BillHeatherL Champion Author Alberta Posts:7,638 Points:1,923,655 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:56:31 AM Ignore BillHeatherL Report Abuse will it lower gas prices
Lologogo Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:1,304 Points:354,440 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:56:13 AM Ignore Lologogo Report Abuse There's Europe, showing up America again, this time with their forward thinking on clean energy. This is important people!
rasprout Champion Author Tacoma Posts:3,367 Points:1,220,785 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:56:06 AM Ignore rasprout Report Abuse Nice to see someone working to reduce fossil fuel usage. Would be nice to see that happen around here.
bart_reed Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:3,969 Points:784,655 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:54:41 AM Ignore bart_reed Report Abuse The sun is pulling ahead.
101Speedster Champion Author Ventura Posts:30,413 Points:2,715,695 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:54:20 AM Ignore 101Speedster Report Abuse Excellent!
paulp24 Champion Author Harrisburg Posts:4,532 Points:821,350 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:53:47 AM Ignore paulp24 Report Abuse Its all good...bring on the alternatives
albert2008 Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:7,347 Points:1,480,035 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:53:44 AM Ignore albert2008 Report Abuse make it work
mark1962 Champion Author Albany Posts:5,731 Points:1,264,515 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:53:12 AM Ignore mark1962 Report Abuse Sounds good
40mpgsaturn Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:2,490 Points:520,430 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:52:55 AM Ignore 40mpgsaturn Report Abuse We need all sources of energy!
paulweb All-Star Author Ohio Posts:806 Points:354,170 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:51:56 AM Ignore paulweb Report Abuse Thumbs up for clean energy.
vwilsonskis All-Star Author New Jersey Posts:732 Points:237,020 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:51:49 AM Ignore vwilsonskis Report Abuse all forms energy should be invested in
Don20 Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:9,667 Points:2,618,655 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:51:47 AM Ignore Don20 Report Abuse Solar and wind are both good, but not reliable all the time. Sometimes the wind does not blow and the sun does not shine
Jamer Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:8,754 Points:1,635,285 Joined:Jul 2002	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:50:56 AM Ignore Jamer Report Abuse Should work here in Las Vegas.
jamie12704 All-Star Author Minnesota Posts:575 Points:137,690 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:50:46 AM Ignore jamie12704 Report Abuse go solar, and electrons, bad news for the oil boys
henryeOH Champion Author Akron Posts:1,071 Points:58,845 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:49:13 AM Ignore henryeOH Report Abuse How about solar for cars. On rainy days use fuel, on sunny days use solar