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Rail trumps pipeline for oil companies

Bismarck Tribune -- When Oneok Partners LP recently pulled its proposed $1.8 billion, 1,300-mile pipeline -- to connect North Dakota’s Bakken crude oil production with refineries in Tulsa, Okla. -- many people here were caught off guard. There had been a steady drum beat of demand for more pipelines to get the state’s crude to market and reduce price discounting for sweet Bakken crude.


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Submitted Dec 07, 2012 By: ggwbike
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honda0105
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2012 5:59:13 AM

in light of the W. VA explosion / fire after pipeline burst, rail may just be safer.
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honda0105
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2012 5:55:25 AM

rail right now is more flexible.
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BurntOrange
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 6:08:57 PM

Rail clearly adapts quickly.

However, derailment = spill and costs are higher.

Of course, given how the energy picture is changing, I can certainly
see where one may worry about how useful a pipeline may be 20 years from now.
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Bill100
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 5:28:55 AM

Rail does offer more options, but pipelines are by no means a thing of the past.
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iFueler
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 3:33:01 AM

US rail network does offer flexibility
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jcurley
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 2:06:45 AM

As the article states:

"Much of the focus had been on moving North Dakota crude to refineries in Tulsa. But the big increases in domestic oil production have created an over supply in the Tulsa area. That’s where the Bakken Express was headed, and that’s where Keystone XL intends to connect before heading to the Gulf."

The Keystone XL's purpose is to EXPORT crude oil!! Wake up America!
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crreed1
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 12:24:37 AM

use what you have
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TheSnowstorm
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 12:22:33 AM

Rail transport has always been one of the best, if not the best way to transport bulk commodities. Crude, on the other hand, as are many liquids and gases, more efficiently and effectively transported via pipelines.

[Edited by: TheSnowstorm at 12/8/2012 12:24:09 AM EST]
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snky2k
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 12:13:50 AM

What goes around, comes around. Eh, Mr. Rockefeller? These are the same issues faced 100+ years ago.
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Robert44
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 12:12:33 AM

Clermont40miles, you must be one of those idiots who voted foe dictator who killed the pipeline to help his environment friends! !!
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rjoeh
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 12:10:56 AM

When you run into roadblocks... thinking business look for and find solutions to keep things going. Rail delivery is efficient and cost effective.
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N5EXY
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 12:09:35 AM

If it were not for those Rocky fellers we would still be shipping in barrels instead of tank cars.
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unicornpmb
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 12:09:08 AM

Maybe, maybe not. Time will tell.
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judgemobile
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 12:07:47 AM

good oil is in high demand.
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jrschl
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 12:07:37 AM

Whatever gets the oil moving.
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 12:07:21 AM

Use what you've got and spread the wealth around.
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 12:05:41 AM

ok
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clermont40miles
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 12:03:45 AM

Pipelines will likely come later. Rail satisfies the immediate need and can apparently handle the volume.

Probably a lot of rail cars being built to handle the required huge volume.
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BCM1
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 12:02:09 AM

All forms of transportation have problems. If rail is there, then use it.
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 12:01:51 AM

ok
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PoohMcGoo
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 12:01:40 AM

So says the owner of the railroad.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:59:08 PM

RIGHT...
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humblepie
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:55:51 PM

untill the first derailment
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:55:04 PM

OK
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:54:47 PM

ok
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FortVancouver01
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:54:32 PM


A good, logical solution. Besides it provides flexibility.


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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:53:05 PM

Intersting.
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mstearno
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:52:31 PM

let the low price win
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:51:59 PM

money to be made either way. just get it there and it will be sold

[Edited by: mcmonsta at 12/7/2012 11:52:56 PM EST]
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gd83goldwinger
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:51:39 PM

It's all about the numbers and the p word.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:50:19 PM

itll pat it self off in time
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jrsva
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:50:09 PM


Ship by rail! You can send your product to any destination; pipelines go to just one or a few destinations. I wish I had been able to buy some BNSF stock several years ago.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:49:28 PM

not enough around
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:45:04 PM

Might be a workable solution
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goinwgas
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:44:45 PM

safety first
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:44:02 PM

Build it and they will come!
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LV_Mike1
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:43:40 PM

A train wreck, a pipe bust......what's the difference? Transporting oil no matter how you do it is going to continue. That's a fact!
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:40:22 PM

rail shipment has it's own problems, least of which is derailment...
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pgerassi
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:39:50 PM

They evidently don't think they will make money.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:38:26 PM

Just one train wreck and a big oil spill will be the end of rail transporting oil.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:38:05 PM

ok
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flsharktooth
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:37:22 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:29:09 PM

buffett calls it again
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Doomsday64
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:26:16 PM

Sounds Goos To Me, Anything To Move The Oil.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:23:34 PM

whatever works....
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:22:50 PM

I would think that a buried pipeline is better than an exposed rail line.
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pastorpaulcg
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:10:23 PM

What are the safety concerns of rail vs pipeline?
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:07:29 PM

OK
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granitestater
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:04:07 PM

Pipelines are cheaper than rail traffic.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:03:24 PM

KEEP DRILLING..........PERIOD.
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