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Pipeline builders struggling to keep up with producers

The Globe and Mail -- As pipeline companies and railways race to add capacity for moving oil and natural gas around North America, two concepts are key: “plumbing” and “market options.”

Until about eight years ago, the North American industry faced a predictable, undramatic pathway, with steady declines in conventional oil and gas production and a measured growth in the oil sands that would require only incremental increases in pipeline capacity. But in a few short years, that picture changed dramatically, as drilling advances resulted in booming gas and tight oil production and triple-digit prices fuelled increasingly by ambitious expansion plans in the oil sands.

But the plumbers have struggled to keep up. Until recently, there was a blockage at Cushing, Okla., that resulted in deep discounts for North Ame


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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Aug 4, 2013 3:33:37 PM

Between 1985 and 1998, five refineries opened in the US, three of them in Alaska.

The newest refinery opened in Wyoming in 2008.

And there's a new one going up in ND.

All of those are fairly small. We need more refineries nearer either the oil fields or the final consumers, small or not.

We don't need most of our refining capacity located near major ports so the refined products can be exported.
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2b0b
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Message Posted: Aug 3, 2013 2:12:07 AM

We need to get these pipelines built, so they can carry crude to our existing refineries. I do not think the EPA and environmentalists will allow a new refinery to be built in the US (at least not in my lifetime). I don't believe we have had a new refinery built here since 1981.
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mac007
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 4:25:03 PM

There you have it! another reason to raise pump prices......
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Ken2OD
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 1:48:39 PM

Plumbers work on water and sewage problems. Pipe-fitters work on heavy duty Process Piping. This story must be written by another author with their head buried in the sand.
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drz614
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 1:20:02 PM

pipefitters love to be called plumbers. LOL
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mageetp
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 1:10:40 PM

Time to build these pipelines.
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guarddog
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 1:06:41 PM

Keep working on it. we need it.
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us412
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 1:03:01 PM

Pipelines are safer and more economical plus don't impact other freight movement.
Build them already!
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WaWanderer
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:59:37 PM

Lay more pipe.
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midnightsdc
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:57:21 PM

This is a good problem to have.
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:53:57 PM

skysteve1: right
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:53:11 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:52:26 PM

This is not a bad problem... that means growth is HAPPENING!
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:52:00 PM

As long as the are safe, we don't need more pollution
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:48:11 PM

Just build 'em.
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JimL1
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:46:56 PM

When are people who complain about high prices going to wake up? Few of us sell our labor for less than what we can get. Corporations sell their products for the most that they can get. It is the same. Capitalism is based on greed. DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:46:46 PM

Good for them.
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:45:56 PM


Keep North American crude in North America.
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:45:37 PM

greed is what rules almost everyone - just because you are poor doesn't indicate you are altruistic only that you are incompetent at being greedy
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:42:52 PM

yup
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:39:40 PM

Great post by tomok!!!!!! He sums it up very well!!!! GREED is what rules BIG OIL....
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:38:15 PM

It will always be a struggle..
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:36:41 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:36:28 PM

we need other options
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:35:40 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:35:04 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:33:00 PM

OK
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:25:03 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:24:05 PM

interesting
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:24:03 PM

suppy it
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:23:21 PM

flexibility seems to be key
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:22:30 PM

good
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:21:30 PM

rail doesn't have to go thru Cushing, or anywhere else.
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:21:07 PM

We need to set up pipelines from cow farmers homesteads to bio fuel producers facilities.
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:17:52 PM

OK
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:17:41 PM

They've been working on pipelines in my area.
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:17:06 PM

Just keep on building them.
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:16:20 PM

it'll keep changing.
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:15:30 PM

wait and see
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:13:09 PM

Should help jobs and prices in the long run. But time will tell.
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:12:25 PM

rippertoo - "It's crazy to not just build more refineries. Less trucking of crude to the refineries and less trucking of refined products to the consumer."

Exactly.

Plus, by the time that the international portion of Keystone XL gets built, we won't need it anymore.
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:12:24 PM

Produce & deliver!
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:11:00 PM

would like to see them put in.
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:09:44 PM

need to update petro infrastructure
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:09:42 PM

Git r done.
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:08:44 PM

Oh well!
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rippertoo
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:07:12 PM

It's crazy to not just build more refineries. Less trucking of crude to the refineries and less trucking of refined products to the consumer.
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:07:09 PM

Build it and they will come
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:07:03 PM

I have mixed feelings about pipelines. There is a need bu does that feed into the greed of it all?
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 12:03:24 PM

Add all this capacity to make the pipeline, then it will all be built, then comes the layoffs because the demand has been met.
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