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Pacific's Koehler Explains why Ethanol Margins Better Now

DTN News -- [Koehler] said ethanol supply is tight, especially along the West Coast, in part because of a lack of railcars to move the product from the Midwest.

...the railcar market is tight because railroad and other railcar operators are finding it more profitable to lease cars to producers of Bakken crude in North Dakota rather than ethanol producers.

"The fleet is tight, especially in the West Coast," he said. "If you are a producer of ethanol, you can't produce more because you won't be able to just go out and lease a railcar within Chicago...There aren't available railcars, though you can use trucks to move the products around the Midwest."

Koehler said right now it costs about $4,000 per month to lease a railcar that carries 29,000 gallons of ethanol, which translates to about 14 cts per g


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DanMtz
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 7:52:25 PM

Sounds like a short-term phenomenon.
scubadaniel
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 7:08:11 PM

Stop the maddness!
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 6:31:34 AM


Fear Not - Politicians know more about the workings of the internal combustion engine than do automakers!
tomok
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 2:51:10 AM

Pacific's Koehler Explains why Ethanol Margins Better Now. Ethanol supply is tight, the railroad and other railcar operators are finding it more profitable to lease cars to producers of Bakken crude in North Dakota rather than ethanol producers. Transport more Bakken crude oil so less ethanol is produced. Great! More of the same!
No fuel from Food! Ethanol added to gasoline is Not good.
E-0, E Free is the only 100% gasoline I want and need!
Drive vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money.
The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 2:00:27 AM

how long have we been told not to mix alcohol and gasoline? Now the fed is forcing us to do so.
bearzz
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 1:12:33 AM

Meh . . . no ethanol in my vehicle.
abk
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:28:10 AM

And this is bad? Corn shouldn't be in fuel form anyway.
DeserTBoB
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:25:20 AM

No, that's not the whole story. UTLX and GATX are also at fault for not ramping up tank car production to keep up with demand, while UP is refusing to handle crude OR ethanol on their rails. THis is what happens when you get deregulation, as we got with the RRs in 1980 with Staggers...they couldn't care less about the national interest, only their own agenda.
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:24:26 AM

Ancient
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:23:23 AM

old
SHEP20715
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:22:10 AM

We need more sources of non-food alternative energy
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:20:29 AM

Screw profits. Eventually the common good must come in to play.
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:19:34 AM

ethanol is just not a good idea
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:19:19 AM

Tough.
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:18:35 AM

Ugh, just stupid.
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:13:57 AM

Another reason to stop adding ethanol to gasoline.
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:13:32 AM

I don't want any ethanol mixed with gas.
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:13:28 AM

Just be glad we are not in Brazil where they have gone back to E25. . .
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:12:59 AM

Along with fracking, ban ethanol in gas tanks.
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:12:51 AM

ethanol is word that should never have been created, cause there is no reason whatsoever for it to exist..
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:12:44 AM

Good to know.
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:11:51 AM

Tsunamiron wrote "Ethanol destroys cars and reduces fuel efficiency. "

Bingo!
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:09:42 AM

Get it out of gas and on to our plates!
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:09:20 AM

old no food for fuel
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:08:53 AM

for food
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:08:35 AM

just produce real gas ...problem solved...right?
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:05:22 AM

Ethanol destroys cars and reduces fuel efficiency.
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:04:37 AM

Old News
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:04:11 AM

It's crap and a money grab!
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:03:35 AM

Just do away with it. Feed it to the animals.
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:03:14 AM

How will this effect gasoline good or bad?
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 11:59:55 PM

Can't be the excuse for raising the pump prices in Okieville!
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 11:59:33 PM

Don't need or want ethanol anyway.
RBob
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 11:58:46 PM

First I have heard of such a shortage on the west coast. This morning they announced the significant price increases were due to fall down of refined product in storage, but then why have they reduced production...and crude supply has gone up? I think the whole issue is called manipulation and price fixing.
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 11:58:41 PM

Well cut out ethanol.
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 11:58:08 PM

BAN ethanol!
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 11:56:54 PM

ethanol is not the answer
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 11:56:10 PM

The ethanol industry isn't getting all the subsidies they got used to so they have make up artificial shortages.
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 11:55:46 PM

ok
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 11:53:56 PM


Too bad the ethanol shortage is not nationwide. Maybe those producers will have to sit around and drink their product . . . .
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 11:53:26 PM

ok
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 11:50:42 PM

No food for fuel!!!!!
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 11:46:00 PM

Free us from ethanol
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 11:45:18 PM

Go away Ethanol
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 11:42:09 PM

We'll see overall.
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 11:40:39 PM

OK........
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 11:39:20 PM

Dump ethanol mandates.
0to60in6
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 11:38:26 PM

Supplies are not tight enough.
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 11:37:52 PM

Tried of being forced to use it!
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 11:36:56 PM

Ethanol is a bad fuel that damages engines.
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 11:30:30 PM

Need to stop using Ethanol now.
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