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GE Races Caterpillar on LNG Trains to Curb Buffett Cost

Bloomberg -- General Electric Co. (GE) and Caterpillar Inc. (CAT), the world’s largest locomotive makers, are rushing to develop natural gas-powered models in a potential shift from diesel’s six decades as the fuel of choice for railroads.

Three of the biggest U.S. rail carriers -- Berkshire Hathaway Inc. (BRK/A)’s Burlington Northern Santa Fe LLC, Union Pacific Corp. (UNP) and Norfolk Southern (NSC) Corp. -- are working with manufacturers on using gas as an alternative power source for freight trains. CSX Corp. is studying the technology.

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tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:32,907 Points:2,341,510 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2013 2:12:50 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse GE Races Caterpillar on LNG Trains to Curb Buffett Cost. Using a mix of natural gas and diesel, while there is still a plentiful supply of natural gas. More natural gas used instead of diesel. Drive vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,580 Points:1,605,520 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2013 6:02:06 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse might help some intercity areas where these trains leave lots of particulate matter.
7SPEEDY7 Champion Author Flint Posts:1,266 Points:600,700 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:03:59 AM Ignore 7SPEEDY7 Report Abuse ok
goldrose1 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:10,925 Points:1,920,910 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 7:05:30 PM Ignore goldrose1 Report Abuse Create more uses for natural gas, get it to markets. Then Less is burned off which creates CO2 in air. More jobs here, can use gasoline in cars, and corn and fields can go back to growing FOOD! Oh, and more domestic jobs. Sounds pretty good, to me. Might help global warming. Diversification. Oh, and more jobs... Help taxbase.
DanMtz Champion Author Oakland Posts:3,330 Points:1,238,450 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:09:47 PM Ignore DanMtz Report Abuse Sounds like a good idea.
mrselfdestruct All-Star Author Arkansas Posts:976 Points:163,450 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 1:14:27 AM Ignore mrselfdestruct Report Abuse Buffett looking to bend a couple more companies over?
VikingWoman Champion Author Washington Posts:1,244 Points:247,850 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:40:17 AM Ignore VikingWoman Report Abuse If it doesn't provide the power they need for the locomotives it won't happen.
pgerassi Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:10,876 Points:2,127,605 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:39:00 AM Ignore pgerassi Report Abuse LNG is more expensive than CNG both on a GGE and per therm basis.
ican2step Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:1,666 Points:423,625 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:37:11 AM Ignore ican2step Report Abuse I agree Focus2
Focus2 Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,885 Points:1,917,300 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:35:57 AM Ignore Focus2 Report Abuse LNG is what its all about! LNG for exports! Big Energy is lobbying to get red tape removed in Washington so they can export our natural gas in the form of LNG to other countries. They are doing it right now! They see all the dollar signs with all this fracking. I am glad to see our own industries looking into using LNG as well as the rail business. We need to get America going on it first and establish more jobs here and possibly more jobs will come back to America with natural gas as an affordable energy. We can all benefit from cleaner air and get rid of Ethanol too!
Bigwaynef Champion Author South Carolina Posts:11,444 Points:2,076,760 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:35:51 AM Ignore Bigwaynef Report Abuse What I would give to be in their graces...
rap12MA Veteran Author Boston Posts:441 Points:148,875 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:35:49 AM Ignore rap12MA Report Abuse LNG can be dangerous stuff.Remember the uproar about LNG tankers using our ports to offload?
esquared Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:8,046 Points:1,965,290 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:32:39 AM Ignore esquared Report Abuse CNG: wave of the present.
camaro_man Champion Author Kitchener-Waterloo Posts:2,207 Points:606,820 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:32:38 AM Ignore camaro_man Report Abuse thats warren buffet for you....
unicornpmb Champion Author Buffalo Posts:8,466 Points:1,624,540 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:29:37 AM Ignore unicornpmb Report Abuse Go for it.
TBONE3 Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:8,726 Points:1,972,650 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:29:06 AM Ignore TBONE3 Report Abuse Interesting! Hope they follow through with the idea.
mcbrownie220 Sophomore Author Toledo Posts:225 Points:150,625 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:28:56 AM Ignore mcbrownie220 Report Abuse ok
camel1 Champion Author Minnesota Posts:8,250 Points:2,262,615 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:27:51 AM Ignore camel1 Report Abuse why not convert. it costs less and burns cleaner
jrschl Champion Author Louisville Posts:2,942 Points:676,090 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:26:06 AM Ignore jrschl Report Abuse Interesting article, still.
Cableman66 Champion Author North Carolina Posts:2,090 Points:485,945 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:23:46 AM Ignore Cableman66 Report Abuse The race is on.
cnflash Rookie Author Fort Worth Posts:26 Points:140,505 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:23:02 AM Ignore cnflash Report Abuse interesting
jkpsr Champion Author New Jersey Posts:4,069 Points:1,099,105 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:22:37 AM Ignore jkpsr Report Abuse LNG is the future of transportation fuels,
rosyLI Champion Author Long Island Posts:5,610 Points:1,063,630 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:22:31 AM Ignore rosyLI Report Abuse Time will tell.
boatfloyd Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:1,698 Points:383,975 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:19:33 AM Ignore boatfloyd Report Abuse Sounds like the way to go.
crreed1 Champion Author West Virginia Posts:1,965 Points:2,522,335 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:18:23 AM Ignore crreed1 Report Abuse go for it
iFueler Champion Author Durham Posts:64,268 Points:174,525 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:17:31 AM Ignore iFueler Report Abuse NG and LNG is a good idea
GasholeMI Champion Author Lansing Posts:10,114 Points:1,713,315 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:16:39 AM Ignore GasholeMI Report Abuse Worth trying but do not pump it up unless it works efficiently.
SaturnSC Champion Author Columbus Posts:1,051 Points:828,125 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:16:18 AM Ignore SaturnSC Report Abuse looking for the fat govt contract. Surely Obama will oblige
PrinceLH Champion Author Ontario Posts:2,672 Points:534,045 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:14:25 AM Ignore PrinceLH Report Abuse Oh tay!
tedjm1 Champion Author New York Posts:5,609 Points:800,300 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:13:39 AM Ignore tedjm1 Report Abuse Go for it!
Beau2140 Champion Author New York Posts:8,276 Points:1,653,160 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:11:58 AM Ignore Beau2140 Report Abuse Good idea.
pepinoNC Champion Author Raleigh Posts:2,133 Points:654,040 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:11:54 AM Ignore pepinoNC Report Abuse make it happen.
N5EXY Champion Author Austin Posts:5,472 Points:1,505,930 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:09:52 AM Ignore N5EXY Report Abuse Caterpillar vs snail?
1fulltank Champion Author Buffalo Posts:7,883 Points:1,540,310 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:08:59 AM Ignore 1fulltank Report Abuse Need some new material.
chuckwthompson Champion Author Charlotte Posts:3,730 Points:572,210 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:08:18 AM Ignore chuckwthompson Report Abuse Very good idea!
RueLamarche Veteran Author Ontario Posts:368 Points:148,285 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:08:09 AM Ignore RueLamarche Report Abuse Good.
obimerrill Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:1,420 Points:285,715 Joined:Jul 2012	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:06:51 AM Ignore obimerrill Report Abuse Awesome...go LNG!
joel27nc Champion Author Raleigh Posts:10,512 Points:1,853,395 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:06:37 AM Ignore joel27nc Report Abuse Let's see who wins.
yakstar Champion Author Montreal Posts:2,395 Points:474,670 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:05:05 AM Ignore yakstar Report Abuse wow- no more smelly diesel?
Blue_Cruzer Champion Author Lexington Posts:7,500 Points:1,665,585 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:04:41 AM Ignore Blue_Cruzer Report Abuse LNG is the way to go.
joel27nc Champion Author Raleigh Posts:10,512 Points:1,853,395 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:02:54 AM Ignore joel27nc Report Abuse Let's see who wins.
bobcatfan Champion Author Kentucky Posts:1,577 Points:613,545 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Mar 9, 2013 11:59:48 PM Ignore bobcatfan Report Abuse Interesting theory. They can carry their own fuel so resupply isn't an issue.
Robert44 Champion Author Columbus Posts:3,562 Points:1,216,255 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Mar 9, 2013 11:56:52 PM Ignore Robert44 Report Abuse Cool if it works!
bmxstud Sophomore Author Chicago Posts:246 Points:89,945 Joined:Jan 2013	Message Posted: Mar 9, 2013 11:56:36 PM Ignore bmxstud Report Abuse we'll see what happens
floridakeys All-Star Author Columbus Posts:666 Points:268,355 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Mar 9, 2013 11:54:00 PM Ignore floridakeys Report Abuse Sounds good ,I guess what confusing to me is I thought to make natural gas in a liqued form the temperature of the gas had to be -120 degrees. Wondering how this would work on a locomotive?
GordoM All-Star Author Detroit Posts:993 Points:990,070 Joined:Nov 2006	Message Posted: Mar 9, 2013 11:53:36 PM Ignore GordoM Report Abuse Great. Put all that fracking gas to use.
hamdriver Champion Author Lansing Posts:3,479 Points:1,373,900 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Mar 9, 2013 11:51:09 PM Ignore hamdriver Report Abuse Yes!
mrbee Champion Author Little Rock Posts:3,733 Points:2,461,610 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Mar 9, 2013 11:47:47 PM Ignore mrbee Report Abuse Go for it.
TonyPSU Champion Author Cleveland Posts:2,511 Points:689,555 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Mar 9, 2013 11:43:16 PM Ignore TonyPSU Report Abuse They have been runnig large diesels on nat gas for years. no big change in technology
us4usa Champion Author Missouri Posts:5,976 Points:1,108,585 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 9, 2013 11:39:24 PM Ignore us4usa Report Abuse Time to switch all big trucks to NG...