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‘Everyone’s a bit lost’: Carmakers think outside the box as electric dreams shatter

Financial Post -- There is a growing awareness that conventional hybrids and slow-selling battery cars simply won’t be enough to meet rigid EU emissions limits.

Automakers are broadly on track to meet the interim goal of trimming vehicles’ average CO2 output to 130g/km by 2015. But drastic steps are needed to meet the 95g target set for 2020 and the potential for tougher standards after that.

Battery technology has not been able to resolve the century-old problem of too much weight and limited range capability. Despite the billions spent by the likes of Renault-Nissan to develop electric cars, optimism about their future has “dampened considerably.”

World leader Toyota dropped plans for broader sale of the battery-powered eQ last September, saying it had misread demand.

GM’s Opel scrapped plans for a fu


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honda0105
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Message Posted: Mar 14, 2013 5:57:32 AM

by the time I buy my next new car, they're thinking back IN the box....
honda0105
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2013 5:52:45 AM

no new car on the horizon for me as far as I can see.
lusigns
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2013 6:50:40 AM

Time I bought share in Horse'n Cart!
tomok
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2013 2:40:40 AM

‘Everyone’s a bit lost’: Carmakers think outside the box as electric dreams shatter......
My pocket cannot afford these High Priced Vehicles! EV's and Inbreds need a high capacity battery, faster battery recharing time, high distance mile driving range and people that can afford to buy them when they have NO job or income in Sneeky's present day 'in the crapper' socialist economy. When the government forces these things down our throats and don't check to see if the technology is available and doable for the masses, this is what you get.
‘Everyone’s a bit lost,’ Electric Dreams Shattered and Rightlfully So!
I will drive my vehicle into the ground before buying anything new, used, EV, Inbred, Plug In, diesel, hydrogen, alternative fuel, CNG, concept and certainly NOT a GM, Ford, Chrysler, Fiat, Prius, 'Tesla,' Leaf, Volt, Peugeot or an NYC/Hurricane Sandy Special 'exploding submarine' Fiskar Karma Inbred!
Drive vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money.
The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
DrCashFlow
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 10:22:29 AM

thanks for grounding us, abob
NedW
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 1:59:36 AM

Thank you for submitting this article, Nicoalbum.
lesndave
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 1:31:17 AM

Ok
F34RL3SSNIT3
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:45:28 AM

ok
Doomsday64
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:45:15 AM

ok
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:24:53 AM

Ethanol free gas would also cost 25% more, @mrjames1818, so you'd be right back to square one. The refiners have also been cutting corners when it comes to maintaining high octane since ethanol is a natural octane booster. Drop the ethanol from gas today and you can watch the octane drop to below 85.
lin95688
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:24:27 AM

if the car maker can produce more practical electric vehicle, longer range, easy access, short time recharging and most importantly affordable, just like Toyota Prius had been decades ago, then i will guarantee that sale will increase dramatically. In meantime,some technological breakthrough is needed in order to build these wonderful vehicles. good news is we are getting there, the Tesla Model S looks promising. it hits few right spots such as performances and longer driving range than most EVs. it just needs to be more affordable to general public not just few elites.
crreed1
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:22:41 AM

build something
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:22:26 AM

One thing to point out about EVs @VikingWoman is that the batteries are meant to last for the life of the car. That's why they're so expensive. These aren't A.C. Delco car starter batteries that last five years and then conk out in cold weather.

If you think new batteries are expensive, how much do you think a new engine and transmission from the factory costs?
MN1
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:21:20 AM

Stopgap on the way to affordable fuel cells.
mrjames1818
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:20:55 AM

Nat Gas may be the way to go - If they made ethanol free gas more available you would see mpg increase by 25%
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:20:01 AM

To those saying that diesel is the answer, that's a very expensive answer for not that much of an increase in mpg. Putting more diesel vehicles on the road will only further increase the cost of diesel. Plus, you get less diesel than gasoline from the same barrel of oil.

If you want more diesel, you'll need more oil from which to refine it.
VikingWoman
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:19:23 AM

Just a few reasons these are not selling as predicted:

Cost of purchase
Limited driving distance
High cost of battery replacement
No place to recharge if you live in an apartment
High cost to install charging station if you own a home
iFueler
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:17:57 AM


in the short term hybrids and EVs are at best a very small niche market
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:16:39 AM

Actually, @CISA, California passed clean air standards for vehicle emissions nearly 20 years ago and that's what spurred GM to build their first electric car, the EV1. It was the relaxing of the standards that killed that electric car.

It was also production of the EV1 by GM that prompted Toyota to build the Prius, in order to compete. High standards are good for everyone. Without them, we would never have any progress.
jrsva
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:16:19 AM

“Electric car are good as golf carts they were doomed from the start you still need to Charge them and that is power company's same as big Oil Greedy Biches A Peter to Paul Scheme.”

Boatmen have you ever thought of using punctuation and proper capitalization not to mention spelling and grammar so that at least sometimes people can read what you wrote one time and not have to go back over it to try to figure out what you were trying to say in the first place like that run on sentence you just posted that is a lot of trouble to decipher and when you finally figure it out it doesnt make any sense at least to me of course i think electric cars are good for more than golf carts like for example urban commuting especially if you have access to solar power for charging so you dont need to burn coal for electricity and pollute the air i hope you get my point.

Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:13:15 AM

What's there to break, @heartbroken2010. The electric motor is the only moving part in the powertrain of an EV. There's also no transmission fluid, motor oil, or engine coolant necessary, either.
mfeldstein
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:12:48 AM

I'm waiting for hydrogen fuel cells.
CISA
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:11:36 AM

affordable hybrids, diesel and MORE OIL PRODUCTION is the solution

consumers will buy what they want, not what politicians think they should

about 10 yrs ago in CA the legislature passed mileage restrictions--- and what did they drive: SUVs, Hummers, etc, etc. obviously, what's good for the goose ain't good enough for the gander
mcbrownie220
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:11:27 AM

ok
yyc2yow
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:11:19 AM

what?
Rooster922
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:11:14 AM

Built a centralized fart collector. Less weight.
72_Monte
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:11:11 AM


Bet some of these manufacturers wished they hadn't waited so long to start their research.
tedjm1
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:10:18 AM

Ehhh....
rahcat
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:09:53 AM

Old News
HEBster
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:09:23 AM

Whatever it takes
bridgerunner
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:09:18 AM

I wonder what too so long to figure out?
KrsnaDragon
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:08:35 AM

Old 'news'.
heartbroken2010
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:07:48 AM

limited distance ranges are the biggest reason why this is failing, not to mention the high cost of these. cant wait to see the average repair cost over a 5 year period for these cars.
CharlieC08
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:07:24 AM

I'll keep my diesel pickup.
walkerms1
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:07:01 AM

Diesel is the answer.
unclenorman
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:07:01 AM

Forget EV's.
JasTheAce
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:06:27 AM

cool
Toppers
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:05:57 AM

don't know if it'll work
TheSicilian
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:05:54 AM

No surprise
yakstar
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:05:40 AM

get 'r done!
jtfftj
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:05:02 AM

The only ones not surprised are former Chevy Corvair owners.
ManOfLeisureII
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:04:48 AM

Old overseas news
TheeRedRam
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:03:54 AM

We shall see on this one
N5EXY
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:03:19 AM

Shocking?
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:01:46 AM

Can you tell me which scientists are divided and unsure, @Oldzin? There are so few climate skeptic scientists that you should be able to name them all by now.

Here's a fact regarding how much CO2 humanity produces. We produce 130 times more CO2 than all of the volcanos in the world. The only way the volcanos can catch up with us is if they were all erupting simultaneously and non-stop.

Imagine Mount St. Helens Helens constantly erupting since 1980. That's how much CO2 we're talking about. 7 billion people have a very measurable impact on the Earth.
joel27nc
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:01:19 AM

More technology needed!
OGW
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:01:12 AM

They have been lost for the last 30 years!
mcmonsta
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:00:18 AM

necessity will fuel more invention
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 11:56:45 PM

@brucevanf says, "Some things are possible in this world and other things are just fantasy."

Well, tell us which are possible and which are fantasy, bruce?
Oldzin
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 11:56:38 PM

These regulations will just jack up the price of cars for everyone, and it is unclear what the real environmental benefits will be. Will reducing automotive CO2 output make a quntifiable difference in global warming? Scientists are divided and unsure.
30mpg80
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 11:55:41 PM

Keep working on higher mpg
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