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Ethanol in gasoline: What impact on cars, consumers?

KSL News -- SALT LAKE CITY — It was originally added to help the environment. Today, though, ethanol is one of the most controversial components of gasoline, and there have been numerous unintended consequences. Still, some see it as the future of fuel.

Suck ethanol-laden gas into your car and mechanics say you'll pay for it later.

"If it goes in and sits, then it rusts," said Greg Scott of GS Auto in Orem. He said he regularly sees the damage, especially in older model cars.

Fuel pumps used to come with lifetime guarantees. "Since everybody's putting ethanol in the fuel, they will only guarantee them one year," he said.

Utah Department of Agriculture spokesman Larry Lewis said, "I think ethanol plays a bigger role in our daily lives than most of us realize."

Ethanol is largely made from corn, wh


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honda0105
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Message Posted: Mar 14, 2013 5:56:18 AM

we know it's bad for small engines, like lawn mowers. And it's bad for my food and feed bill.
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honda0105
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2013 5:52:22 AM

EtOH never was the answer, never will be the answer either.
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Our sustainable agriculture (or continuing lack thereof) will be the ultimate force that all the world will need to reckon with well before a violence, weather, or cosmo related annihilation would happen ( in my opinion)
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honda0105
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it never was about environment (that was the pretext). Always been about the money (subsidies).
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 11:56:13 PM


Pgerassi has drunk the Koolaid laced with copious amounts of ethanol — a member of the one percent who love ethanol in their gas tanks as well as their drinking glasses. Go on your way with your wishful thinking, P, oblivious to the world.
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Zing20
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 9:39:09 PM

Ethanol damages your engine it needs to be removed from gasoline.
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 1:26:40 PM

I have to pay $4.00 a quart ($16 a gallon) to buy Ethanol-free pre-mixed 50:1 gasoline to get my little 2-cycle roto-tiller to start and run.

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DrCashFlow
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:08:49 PM

ban lobbyists
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Felicia1112
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 11:53:49 AM

We need more research on the effects of it on cars.
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dr047
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 9:26:30 AM


It's OUR cars and equipment that this crap is going into so we should have a choice.

Who pays for the repairs?
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 9:04:52 AM

Let consumers decide.
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 8:53:20 AM

no changes in fuel price, lowered mileage negating any pollution reduction, using food for fuel and more damage to vehicles.
Don't want.
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 3:27:07 AM

All are being stubborb and ignoring each other. Gov pushed ethanol and car makers ignore and don't build car for it
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 3:19:40 AM

Old 'news'.
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sprocketsplines
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 3:01:39 AM

Should change the last word in the Larry Lewis quote from realize to want.
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 1:38:37 AM

BAN ETHANOL
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One thing is for certain...Less mileage per gallon with ethanol.
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none for me thanks...
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 1:21:02 AM

Alcohol in gas used to be called "drygas". It absorbed water in the tank and removed it from the system.
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 1:17:38 AM

Get rid of Ethanol
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 1:16:49 AM

I have to drain all my small motors every time I use them unless I am going to use them in 2 weeks or so because of ethanol
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 1:15:20 AM

Why would they be concerned about the effects of ethanol now? How about a decade ago?
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 1:14:40 AM

Ethanol is not good in the long run for the engines, so its time to get rid of the subsidies to that industry.
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agreed UGH
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Let's get rid of it.
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 1:06:27 AM

ugh.
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 1:05:09 AM

hmmm.
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Battle cry used to be "get the lead out", now its "get the ethanol out"
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Ethanol could be made from sugar cane which would be good for Hawaiian fuel prices - that is if they want to buy ethanol.

I haven't met anyone who wants to put ethanol in their car yet.
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:55:50 AM

Abolish ethanol and the EPA
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:55:08 AM

We haven't phased out those older vehicles yet.
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:54:41 AM

Corn belongs on our dinner plates not in our tanks.
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:51:23 AM

Get corn out of the gas tank and onto the table where it belongs!
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:47:13 AM

Ethanol in gas was design for use on specific newer engines not the old. Engineers has calculated that by now those old engine are phase out. Time to move on.
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corn don't burn it
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Corn-based ethanol is another scam
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Drink whiskey, don't drive on it.
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No thanks!
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Still not a fan!
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:37:30 AM

Another article full of myths and FUD. Typical anti-ethanol blurb without proof. Fact is gasoline sits in tanks and gums up the works. Funny how my fuel pump in my Ford has run for 10 years without any problem even when some of the time its pumping E85. Maybe it runs only 1 year when running on shit gasoline without any ethanol in it. Also in the old days fuel pumps were not in the tank, but in the engine and pumped fuel at low pressures (1-3PSI) after it passed through the fuel filter on its way to the carburetor, plus cars only lasted 4-6 years back then in the northern sea salt climes. Its far harder to build the pump to pump fuel at much higher pressures (180-3,600PSI) needed for fuel injection directly in the tank prior to the fuel filter in cars that now last 16-20 years before rusting out.

As for older model cars, the only parts available are ones produced from original specs at ordinary machine shops, but they do not always use the best grade of materials, processes, nor workmanship. Funny also is that Model Ts could run on pure ethanol without rust or problems and that is one of the oldest models around in large numbers. Plus many pre 1975 cars needed tetra-ethyl lead in the fuel to coat valves which doesn't exist in any current non aviation fuel. So these claims are misdirection as even pure unleaded gasoline would cause problems. There are cars on the market that can't run on research grade gasoline (Honda has some) reliably.

As for mechanics, they don't know things and many of them lie to gain business (rip off shops). Engineers design these cars and test them in much harsher conditions than normal usage does. They know that ethanol use is easily designed in, has passed numerous testing, and they have lots of experience in the automotive realm.
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:37:07 AM

Time will tell.
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:36:16 AM

ethanol shoulda been sent down the river long ago..
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:36:10 AM

Fuel pumps are expensive to replace.
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:35:18 AM

Abolish all ethanol.
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:32:52 AM

getting harder every day to find ethanol free fuel
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:32:35 AM

Some of the 2012 cars should be OK but the majority of any older model cars not OK at all...
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:32:31 AM

hurts my Seadoo!
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:32:10 AM

No ethanol!!!!
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:31:57 AM

waste of time and money
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 12:30:04 AM

No beef with cellulosic ethanol (pun intended), but no food for fuel.
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